Who is the idiot here ? The city or the country? The progressives or the practical ?

Are the people of Australia really racist ?  I would say with Jacinta clearly not , but others will keep wondering  The real people  have just rejected  letting any one culture ,voice or race  have an unequal voice and they were right to do so . Why progressives let themsleves be conned by 65000 years of history is clear -- they didn't study it or culture properly but relied on some shallow form of naturally led blessing .
The future is with science and sound practice informed by culture , not the other way around.  

Last night the people rejected a man who thought he was doing the right thing to honor a wonderful woman who was doing the right thing .
Lets hope this woman continues to inspire us and the world and resist the nonsense of good intentions  being forced into our already overloaded listening system.  
As Jacinta said , This is indeed a great country and we as a people are pleased that our democracy is practically supportive ( and not theoretical) of an equal voice for all .

 I hope free people everywhere  will rejoice with us . 

Progressives will take a while to absorb the referendum result . They need to look closely at why their faith in culturally constructed truths is really moribund and inadequate for our kids future . 

They may never realize the fact that the elites insisted on a change in the listening system which was a result of them NOT listening and a faith in the mythical magic idea of change in laws to make men better . This last attitude was for a time in Western history left in the dark past and hopefully will go back there.
The changes proposed by the government were as shallow as shit and the people rejected them . 

The boy used words "we ,they "+ made it all sound like what he decided was about the will+generosity of the people. But really, it was all about him. Legacy of just another man who can't see how he justifies great evil in the name of the best intention.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE , and its causes goes unreported on OUR ABC

 Presumably because it's not PC to say so ........ even on the ABC   (see in particular the claims of Jacinta Price and those who have observed major causal elements inside aboriginal communities where traditional culture is observed -- as far back as 1880; see below ) 

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE  goes UNREPORTED  and totally MISUNDERSTOOD 

Today is the day of the referendum and "progressives' all around the country cannot believe that their fellow Australians can be so racist ( or at least appear to be )
This false perception goes to the heart of the angst and blind sidedness of our generation . Progressives, having largely proven to prove nothing, are not sure about our culture,  but we switch channels and say  we think 60000 years might have taught the first people's something .

Fair enough , but to vote for a constitutional change means our forebears got something wrong  which is where our ABC could have been helpful..
Not everything is wrong .
Where was the constitution wrong? No.  It seems to me the clause removed in 67 was a neccesary adjustment and the idea of institutional 'non recognition"  was a misunderstanding and   a category error. not a helpful one but one that simply happens as Boswick found , becuase you can't actually locate all the aboriginal people and the decision had been made to try ( right or not) to protect them .( before even 1850 when only handfuls of europeans set up little towns like Colac Warnambool and Port Fairy  ( Boswick's most detailed account of numbers , agriculture,  and conflict in 1857. My impression from Boswicks very comapssionate reporting is that just then ,as now, we steel and wheel merchants didn't really know how to help the first peoples, who were just overwhelmed by the cultural differences .   

So this lie has become a bigger one in the hands of those who want more power and opportunity to promote their own righteousness. Sure there is hurt injustice and plain takeover but what human community is free of those injustices ,even from our own ? I can make a list only 3 recent generations long . Are we ever going to forgive as we have been taught to do for our own good, even though we can't always forget ?????
Like children, the country follows the child Whitlam,  Andrews, Turnbull and Albo into solving a problem that wasn't there but was an action, maybe m  built on a mix of real care and also despair and some guilt.( still not OUR guilt as some post or pre Christians would have it !!!!) 
All that doesn't mean the children presume to have answers, and that the quick fix of a bit of law and statute (constitutional) is really going to help things.

The West's best answer to injustice heaped upon one has always been counterintuitive ( not revengeful as our bodies tempt us ): Overcome evil with good. 



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If we ever do rewrite the constitution , which might not be a bad thing. 
we could do what Washington and others did and said in the USA
"Under God we are all equal and in this land it is incumbent on the government to prove it so before the law . "
We wouldn't be , as Albo the god like master of ceremonies TODAY be singling out one race for special privileges and him for special note as Pa. 
A real progress historian scientist  would go sifting the good from the bad ; the sustainable from the unsustainable . no such attempt by our publicly funded truth seeking journos . That is bad .

 

1. The ABC could have asked or just reported Bonwick  - yes the first peoples were counted even in 1857 

Next question 

1. Can we learn anything about land use . yes we can and yes we can be very critical of industarail methods and eco thinking which was wrong for land use here .Bruce Pascoe and Bill Gammage  butchered the prospects of a proper scinetific review - still needed .

No we must support ALL cultures as Niebuhr called for it ----- to be subject to revision , The closer scrutiny not just of time, but genuine independant scientific , philosophic and historical scrutiny  - sustainability 

1. Were the first peoples harsh in their treatment of each other and were they stuck? 
   like some moderns  whose in faith in Nature , which in the dark of the days night gave them, as it does now us , as excuse to be brutal ( read White again on children and mothers ) 

The ABC 's failure to properly follow up on Jacintas Price's point that if The VOICE of some tribes is listened to, the domestic violence on remote women and children can be expected to increase.  ( read J,. Smiths  account  of  Booandik Tribe 1880 ) 

note  her detailed descriptions of aboriginal marriage practice and the common suicide of mothers and killing of babies . pages 4-7
If culture is worshiped again then cruel nature will again rule because men will use it as a licence . 

Time for the ABC to properly and fiercely study how domestic violence can be so easily prosecuted by men who get their own way with women --  Add this to an honest account of the history of modern west and their menfolk as well . 

The West's best answer to injustice heaped upon one has always been counterintuitive ( not revengeful as our bodies tempt us): Overcome evil with good. 

 Apart from the intro and this ending, this note was posted before the result was known (extra note made 8pm 14th Oct)  

Aside added 28th Oct 2023

While the beaten wife may not get a technical quick fix to domestic violence by the above complex truth ,( overcoming evil with good )  (that is by SIMPLY allowing her partner to beat her --thats not a thoughtful response to a man ouuta control)  we all have to bear in marriage and family the assaults and insults from our partners who don't always understand or agree with us .It makes us all angry from time to time and IMO we must all face the complex truth about anger being both helpful AND dangerous.  

As Western law and culture clearly indicates if you are going to PREVENT and TREAT violence ( and deal with anger for example -  an adrenalin response?)  you have to accept that VERBAL ASSAULT is as bad as PHYSICAL assault . Sometime I know as someone who has worked with unhappy alcoholics,  that the only preventative defence you often have  is to run away . Noradrenaline too works that way  by allowing time , distance and some return to reason to play  their part.in the face of the wild emotional dangers from anger and adrenalin  

Unreliable POSITION and NEWS reporting IS WORSE THAN PARTY POLITICS .

Our ABC used to be good at lots of things .
Its now at its worst in areas where it thinks it is good at ; where self righteousness has taken over  from thorough examination.  Where it thinks its doing science but its doing no such thing.
The windows are closed on so many areas " ABC is closing comments on this item ' is all over their Netspace and is very indicative . They identify fear so often but allow the fearless to be broadcast too seldom . Such re 

Areas where ABC esp ABCTV  now fails badly
NEWS
There are a few of my old friends clinging to the ship, but not many. The mood is one of " we really don't know wwho to trust anymore ". The trouble is the ABC know how how to be nice and have the budget to fact check and remodel the background at a moments notice . What's missing is the unpredictable world outside the closet
Limpets are gradually dropping off and there is no glue or incentive to bring them back.
The glue of respect for really listening that we treasured  in early 3LO presenters has largely gone .   
The time when the ABC just reported what happened and what the participants and observers said has long gone too.
Reporters add adjectives and commentary so when you listen you never quite know WHO you are listening too .
The Eldership at the ABC is, like the peer review of their practical non-science, missing  .
It should ALL be culled .
Time the public knew that our ABC have been run for decades by inexperienced  reactionaries  who should have passed the baton on to someone who has some real knowledge, confession and experience.
Phillip Adams being in hiding for years, but unlike the others,  is so thick skinned he thinks he has something to add to his never ending opening and closing of doors on VOICES. 
The ABC has cultivated the sickening greeting on departure " Moving on: they say when the guest starts telling us something new" .  
The Australian by contrast makes a good read -- this weekend. 
 

The proposed changes to the Australian constitution ( THE VOICE ) on October 14th will fail

 For lots of reasons which show in particular that you cannot get agreement without telling those who sign up exactly what they are committing to. Only a wooly-headed leader could allow the committee to get what it wanted without taking it to the public - What should have happened is like happened to the 30 pager in 1901 with years of consultation over ' the words " .

A bigger rat has never been sighted.
The biggest surprise on the week B4 is the Yes campaign's revelation of their poor understanding of how people think and how to treat their minds and hearts with respect. 
This is what ALBO did today 6th October when he carelessly dismissed the right of religious ( esp Christian) group members to not agree with their leaders,
This is not a dictatorship yet. 
If only the Church and State could control those pesky rebels known as Jesus people .2000 years of history of a radicalism that,while somewhat predictable in some ways ,  is far less predictable politically and much more fearless than any power broker could imagine if there is conflict between what the books say and any Institution says.  

Our Prime Minister and the media made a totally false and foolish claim today. They said " all churches"  support the VOICE changes to the Constitution. Neither a church or a State can dictate what a believer believes.  

Read this State cancelled radio broadcast made in 1933 ( 6 years before WW 2 started )

https://www.stmichaelsarlington.org/uploads/files/1933-radio-addressdocx_142.pdf





The paradox for a believer is that all this unbeliever focus on more power and more voice  ignores the reality that man's power is always limited ( even a tyrant 0 and is dependent on God letting such persons have it for a while , Far more powerful to let your VOICE be heard by your Saviour and Creator and Redeemer . 

Referendum Focus 3 - What can aboriginal culture teach us about how to better plan land use .?

 Western Australia  is in the news for including aboriginal consultant groups in the planning system. 
POSITIVE
The aboriginal focus on getting place driven consensus is very welcome, but even that focus will not work if the rest of Australia don't change the planning system away from its current drowning in consultant advice and referrals.  See recent discussion about fire at the Royal Society of Victoria . 
 
NEGATIVE 
I am not going to spell out a proper consultancy framework because effective change will take a revolution in thinking and representation in the bush . The system is falling over but more  outrage at poor representation ( eg medical  and health care ) in the provinces is needed before any proper care and consideration is given by Canberra . 
see other posts on this site 

Pollie's are often followers . not leaders so don't give the real desperate dummies any leads 

POSITIVES 

There is still much to learn about how first peoples used land fire and resources  but our children will better off ( as our" Modern Australia" you mention, is" ) IF   ALL decisions and long winded discussions  are based on much advice from a range of advisors . This  slow process was stated below ( tiles on the floor of the Victorian parliament) by our first Governor who, like us , was finally pretty disgusted about how his own Englishmen behaved.  

Let's be agreed then, You make your list,  I will make mine and others will add good and bad to theirs .

  BUT let us all remember,  as the disagreement between Bruce Pascoe and scientists  on Dark Emu program on the ABC showed recently , we already have a good system for sorting out scientifically verifiable solutions without insisting that one voice is more important or wiser than another. 

Bruce Pascoe  and Bill Gammage's books . like the above program on ABC , would be  a hundred time better if scientists and observers were involved in sorting out the speculation from the actual facts., well before it went to air and got oxygen . 

For our children's sake,  let's insist the do-gooders ,and other often ignorant insistent's ( including the mad media) have done their consultations before they just make more noise . 

FINALLY 
Ask me personally is fine   SO , If you are a young person and are interested, you can probably help the revolution in returning power to the Provinces. 

 Bookmark  the site or others like Facebook site " Representing South West Victoria " 

Referendum Focus 2 - What Western Australia's move says about the parlous state of planning in Australia?

 If you read nothing more ---watch Rob Sitchs UTOPIA.

If you think that is bad, try and imagine the mess polys have made of environmental planning . I won't go into the history just now because it varies from State to State  . 
The whole mess has been precipitated by the ignorant greens , the compliant left and the arrogant and defensive right. 
You maybe the only smart person on line who listens . 
Just a note for now a post I made this week 

"As a former rural planner and planning coordinator  in the State of Victoria 

its very clear that WA and MOST rural Councils do not know what they are doing. 

Inertia, incompetence , irresponsibility and stupidity characterize the current planning system as UTOPIA ABC shows . 

The current incumbents  just go along with this madness in burdening the contorted planning system and its unresolved same old same old death traps for innovators and legally compliant types . 

These well intentioned half wits in charge , do not realize that by just accepting new overlay constraints and all these consultants ,,they are the instruments of unnecessary and very costly torture and basic disintegrated incompetence and worry .
The system wants to know everything but can't then decide anything .This not need be so -but I am not telling you now because polys use answers to win elections - not implement the needed change. See talk of revolution below  . 

Planning for first peoples relics and sacred sites/issues shouldn't be so difficult (or framed in the dustheap system on the present ones ) : 

These half wits  talk of red tape reduction when its them that are unnecessarily shedding the blood of hard working producers . 

These changes will breed the latest non compus Mentus lot of bureaucrarts and representative's who have NO Future , 

How much longer before the opposition realize that ABC UTOPIA is talking about complete incompetence and disrespect for productive planning .   

STOP BEING SUCH A BUNCH OF POOR LISTENERS !

You could win votes by actually listening to people who know better ways to DO things !

Referendum Focus 1 - How has aboriginal culture benefited modern Australia?

 How has aboriginal culture benefited modern Australia?

The question is a very valid one, but it is not helpful to make too much of it at this referendum.

The question is also very relevant to 2020's because the media have finally given some oxygen to those whose actual practices have much to teach us about proper footprint on this old country.  
Modern Agriculture as practiced , still has a lot to learn about how to use the earth better and that truth applies to Agricultural practice  the world over , 

So why am I against the current amendment? 

First off, we have to have solid and sound reasons to change our constitution; and weighing up cost benefit is like passing our life decisions into the hands of accountants or lawyers -- its like taking ourselves back to the dark ages; Where revenge was accepted practice and the tough but blessed stuff of forgiveness was NOT .
 Second ,I am against the current amendment because the future will soon burn up a deal of old and poor land management practice with no race having  a completely sound culture of land use that is beyond examination .

Objective science is the key to the future and we desperately need to stop making it political 

Thirdly, what the Insistent's  in charge do not realize is that good land management is usually not about their favorite subject of naming the evil but managing the evil" ( eg managing the harvest planting --logging , cropping )  Give the job of deciding what is right to objective local and accountable scientists;

The best reason to reject this hastily drafted current amendment is because it directly threatens a key principle of our unity .

At the very basis of our unity as Aussies is a faith in the value of all persons - not what they do and what they have done,, or even what they did in the past .

The last idea is then the best reason to reject the proposed amendment because to value people ( and their opinion) because of their productivity or righteous behavior or righteousness is plain wrong.

As an effective and practical ecologist of influence, I seek and value the first peoples reminder that the Europeans blindly used land management techniques that were not only not appropriate or scientific, but which ignore and can still ignore the sensitive ways first peoples used land.

European ways must not be dismissed though , because scientific research can ( and have )show/ shown us new ways to be sensitive and better custodians than all previous cultures have been . This is the positive way forward for all Aussies.

http://cuttingedgecare.blogspot.com

There is still much to learn about how first peoples used land fire and resources but our children will better off ( as our" Modern Australia" you mention, is" ) IF ALL decisions and long winded discussions are based on much advice from a range of advisors . This slow process was stated below ( tiles on the floor of the Victorian parliament) by our first Governor who, like us , was always fighting English Lords and was always disgusted about how many of his own English gentry behaved.

Let's be agreed then, You make your list, I will make mine and others will add good and bad to theirs .

BUT let us all remember, as the disagreement between Bruce Pascoe and scientists on Dark Emu program on the ABC showed recently , we already have a good system for sorting out scientifically verifiable solutions without insisting that one voice is more important or wiser than another.

Bruce Pascoe and Bill Gammage's books . like the above program on ABC , would be a hundred times better if scientists and observers were involved in sorting out the speculation from the actual facts., well before they went to air and got oxygen.

For our children's sake, let's insist the do-gooders ,and other often ignorant Insistent's ( including the mad media) have done their consultations before they just make more noise .

Using all the cunning of a dagger

 

Albo seems like quite a nice guy, Machiavelli might have chosen him had he lived in the age of puppet kings , but he didn't  . In his time  there was no time to play with public sentiment and the empty vestiges of a post Christian culture like pollies do now --- weak liberals and weak labor and woke everyone .Most of the people have no idea what the commandments mean and how good they are for us and for keeping some order 

You see we are back to a Godless time like his  ( then too :- a facade of Catholicism which with  no  Christlikeness is a recipe for self righteous hidden daggers and judgement but totally undeserved honor for it survives on survival instincts  ) In M's time  there was this same facade of " doing right" but in practice there was , like then , no idea of what VIRTUE really was and therefore zero commitment to it -- it's ALL about staying in power . That publicly welcome facade of righteousness really helps in our overly sentimental age - ask the Premiers  about just how easy they drew a crowd with all their "caring concern "through COVID ,    
 You see, words, not mere majorities ,do carry weight, but actions (and inaction )  speak far louder again .
Emotion , as Machiavelli notes and as Greenlabor lives on,  carries more weight that the mere GREAT of the GREAT will ever  do . Emotion has the power to draw the crowd ; the GREAT are only ever few .
Albo  cries a lot ,but hangs around with the popular ones in a vain attempt to be more popular .  He and his string pulling advisors want to make his very shaky coalition look like something united . Its so laughable ,it should make the country cry. I am sure plenty of the left bench just wanna hide at the moment . We are certainly paying for it . It is never going to be easy under the facile weight of an emotion driven Albanese. 

Come on people , no more sentimentality and self righteous crap from the top . It stinks and the years ahead will cost us and leave us out in the cold ---with only once nice thoughts . 

Read some Machiavelli and return to reality . Forget being just nice ! 
After all, the daggers are already out , if the demons  can't cancel the real coalition of the country they will try and cancel the individual , Dutton . Morrison , Abbott and Lehrman,
Greenlabor are at great pains to look good on the surface putting Plibersek behind Watts and that man who can't stop smiling on the front page : he is finally in charge of all our money -Is he not the ultimate idiot ? He thinks because there is money in the bank he and his party can still play God with it. 

Get real you pathetic wasters of public money, and time, Ditch with Sitch your hypocritical talk of knowing what you are doing , your shallow talk of mandates and your fight for moral high ground ( Paul Kelly in this weekend's Australian )-- so muddy is the high ground that its not clear where it is.

TAKE THIS HALF BAKED VOICE CASE referendum 
Readers will find the Trojan horse in the words "composition , functions, powers and procedures "2B written for eternity by http://greenlabor.blogspot.com
 
Even Grayling and most of England is against the way dumb pollies assume a mandate from a referendum ( eg Brexit ) .And how the people are learning to hate major parties doing MAINLY what tiny minorities want them to do .....in the once good name of democracy . 

The mad scramble to be heard

 

Albanese won't be the last leader to be confused and confuse himself with his own confused and shallow chatter. 
He won't be the last leader of a household to just let his household do what they feel like. 
By getting into power with the help of minorities he doesn't have a mandate to do anything .( His dumb mate Watts uses the same mandate nonsense saying he has " a mandate"   to ban the live sheep trade and deny our sheep a happy cruise home) Albo doesn't have a policy on CC  just a number (43%)  Its sounds good and maybe that;s all that matters for his household. 
 By doing what those minorities want he has shown he is weak as piss .
Like some weak parent he lets his household do what they feel like. 
Case 3 
Letting one group get more time power and influence THE VOICE 
If Albo's colleagues had any competency, they would have told him that allowing the constitutional amendments to go out as they did would finally destroy any idea he ( and they ) really had any right to govern.  
Any reasonable reading of history would show these dummies that our prize in having any voice at all comes at great cost to us all .

 Instead of all the theory and law talk about VOICES , we should also look back to the formative days ( 1650s 1790's ) when armies starved and the countries of England and USA nearly failed to do any listening at all. Listening is hard and costly work, so it must be done efficiently if it is to work at all .

Greenlabor , for all their good intentions, risk destroying our democracy - simply by making it unworkable .
Just like in George Washington and HAMILTONs time, there is the real and present danger from just more anger/ noise , ego and overly simple good intentions.

We need as, George called for from Jefferson and Hamilton - something that will work for the good of everyone. We provincials may now be in a minority, but we will lead the fight (against bullying minorities ) for unheard minorities everywhere , and for the good of the country overall . fair dealing on THE VOICE 
WATCH IT  and be rewarded!!!!!!  George Washington 1984/86  on You tube